Rep. Gerry Connolly Calls VP Pick Ryan an ‘Amicable Radical’
Mitt Romney, who announced his selection for vice president this morning in Norfolk, will campaign in Manassas later today.
Rep. Gerry Connolly called Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, whom Mitt Romney just chose as his vice president, an “amiable radical” in a conversation with Patch on Saturday.
Connolly, a Democrat representing Virginia’s 11th district, served with Rep. Paul Ryan on the House Budget Committee for two years from 2009 – 2011.
“[Rep. Paul Ryan] has the least experience and he is the most radical,” Connolly said, noting Paul’s relatively young age, 42. Ryan has been a Wisconsin representative since 1999.
Ryan has proposed significant cuts at the federal level in order to decrease the federal debt. Those proposals were outlined in Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” proposal in March and included reducing individual and corporate tax rates in addition to repealing many of President Barack Obama’s policies.
“This budget reforms the broken tax code to spur job creation and economic opportunity by lowering rates, closing loopholes, and putting hardworking taxpayers ahead of special interests. The pro-growth reforms ensure the tax code is fair, simple, and competitive,” according to Ryan’s plan.
Connolly countered this morning: “As a result we’ll have to gut programs, gut Head Start, gut student loans, gut infrastructure, gut transportation and all the work Congress has done for the past 100 years.”
Romney made a speech Saturday morning in Norfolk officially announcing his selection, passing over Gov. Bob McDonnell who was reportedly on the short list.
Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell joined Romney and Ryan at this morning’s Romney “Blue state” bus tour campaign stop at the USS Wisconsin; he is scheduled to campaign with Romney on a bus tour across Virginia Saturday.
Connolly also called the announcement “stunning.”
“This is a Hail Mary pass in the third quarter,” said Connolly. “It’s a last-ditch effort in a losing campaign.”
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Greendayer
6:43 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
If Connolly thinks revamping the complicated tax code and reigning in the $5 trillion Obama deficit is radical, that says a lot about Connolly.
David B. Levenstam
1:04 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
With a National Taxpayers Union average of 9%, Connolly is the second most left-wing member of either house, actually slightly worse than Obama's 9.33% Senate average.
Cheryl Corser
11:33 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Connolly looks after Connolly. Period.
Deirdre Connolly
3:09 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I am disappointed that Gerry Connolly joined the "bash everything Republican" club. Roughly half of his district votes Republican, and many favor restraint in Government taxing, spending, and control, including those who work for the Government or their contractors. To bring dollars and favorable legislation back to Fairfax County and the rest of the 11th District, Connolly will need the respect of the majority in Congress, and he has squandered that opportunity. That's just one reason why Chris Perkins is a better choice for us for Congress. Chris Perkins has experience working on Capitol Hill, where he was able to observe how work actually gets done, something Connolly did not have before before he was elected. Connolly may regret choosing to speak out 100% for the Obama/Pelosi agenda for California-style government, but realizes that it is now too late to change face without alienating his base. Connolly has no plan for saving Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security from bankruptcy. We need new hope from someone who understands and can articulate the issues and potential solutions. That's what makes people like Paul Ryan and Chris Perkins our best hope for restoring America's greatness and restoring every individual's opportunity for success.
Marshall Smith
10:40 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Connolly needs to go in November. he is responsible for many of our ills including Obamacare SAFU and the damage that it will impose on all of us.
RME KRNL
8:19 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Scared to death, aren't you, Gerry?
Cheryl Corser
11:33 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Apparently he is. And should be. :)
pete
10:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Typical nonsense from from a ridiculous political hack.......Gerry the Obama mouthpiece Connelly. Ryan is a rare politician who is smart enough to know the truth and has the character to tell the truth.
Connelly, like Obama has been a failure. Democrats haven't come close to even passing a budget. They either don't care or are too spineless to tell the truth about the country"s fiscal situation. We are spending too much. Increasing taxes can't come close to supporting the out of control spending.
Connelly should be ashamed of himself for criticizing the only person who has put forth a serious budget proposal.
Fairfax deserves better than Connelly. The country deserves better than Obama.
Piccadilly Circus
11:55 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Connolly is a flake
Mark Carolla
9:16 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
What adult discourse. Perhaps instead of calling names (flake, political hack) you guys could come up with some reasoned analysis as to how specifically Ryan's somewhat vague proposals are going to help end the deficit without cutting taxes for millionaires, gutting infrastructure, and throwing the economy into a real depression. Getting rid of home mortgage interest - even for second homes - will really help those of us who might want to sell our homes; eliminating deductions will really help us small businesspeople. Right? I live in Frank Wolf's District and will vote for him but Connolly has a point in that although a nice guy Ryan is pretty darn radical in that he will indeed gut our already totering infrastructure. Of course this is a blog of sorts and I should regard it as more entertainment than civil and reasoned debate...Silly me, I expect to read George Will and National Review quality reasoning from conservatives....obviously not here.
David B. Levenstam
12:49 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Ryan's "radicalism" amounted to him proposing to reduce the projected baseline budget increase of $155 billion to an increase of $55 billion, and then accept an increase of $120 billion.
David B. Levenstam
1:03 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Maybe to the second most left-wing member of either house (National Taxpayers Union average 12%) a mushy moderate like Ryan (NTU average 74%) looks like a "radical"--or maybe Connolly is just another lying leftist
David B. Levenstam
1:05 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Actually 12% was Connolly's 2011 rating. He scored 6% in 2010, giving him an average of 9%, marginally lower even than Obama's 9.33% Senate average.
John Lovaas
6:48 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Ryan is an ideal mate for Mitt the Twit, another rightwing plutocrat.
Ryan wants to lower taxes for corporations, Romney's favorite "people". In 2010, America's top ten corporations paid an average of 9 (NINE) percent tax on their massive incomes. While the middle class sees their incomes declining, Romney (whose tax info is top secret) and this fellow traveller are focused like lasers on cutting their own taxes and those of their corporate buddies. And who do you think will pay the tab??
Mark Carolla
9:38 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
John, I agree, but as a former FSO you should know that referring to "Mitt the Twit, another rightwing plutocrat" is only going to incite name calling from the right wingers. The fact that Romney and Ryan come from inherited wealth in contrast to Obama's beginnings is more important than calling them plutocrats. Read between the lines of this Fox News item: "Ryan worked as a marketing consultant [salesman?]for his family's construction business before being elected to Congress. The company -- Ryan Incorporated Central -- began as an earthmoving business created by his great-grandfather in 1884....Ryan was the legislative director for Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, 1995-1997 before being elected to his first of seven terms in Congress in 1998. The guy is a very articulate career politician, who although having held summer and part-time jobs never had to endure the concerns of Middle America about working to pay a mortgage or pay medical bills. These guys who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and will be the first to proclaim themselves as examples of entrepreneurship and are the type that will belittle you for being an overpaid civil servant sap who could have been rich if you weren't lazy and wanted to work in government. They've never had to ride a train and make getting rid of Amtrak or investment in higher speed rail like the rest of the civilized world one of their first priorities.
Stella McEnearny
12:38 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
It's hard for me to imagine that Reston could be so full of one-percenters that there'd be much support at all for a couple of medieval, plutocratic frat boys. Romney and Ryan are ridiculous!
Marshall Smith
10:45 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Mark, thats just like saying I dont want a surgeon excising my cancer unless he has had the cancer himself. How idiotic is that elitist attitude... go figure.
Don Joy
8:07 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Stella, Reston is full of Lexus leftists.
David B. Levenstam
8:27 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Good point, Don. The DC suburbs are the most affluent counties on the country because of the presence of so many highly-compensated federal bureaucrats--virtually all of whom vote Democrat.
Back in the 1980s when I was at the University of Colorado (Denver) we had a couple of Cadillac Marxists in the economics department. It was funny to hear them spew Marxist class rhetoric as they drove cars too expensive for me to afford. These days though the Cadillac is passé and the local leftist can afford much better, so your term "Lexus leftists" is even more apt.
Another item that marks Carollla's prejudices as leftist is his obsession with whether someone ever said something good about Ayn Rand. Rand has long been the libertarian leftist love to hate--ironically, since Rand herself denigrated libertarians as anarchists with their heads in the sand while supporting the Cold War against communism (which they opposed). Rand tended to get nasty about her opponents, like the leftists and unlike the old country club mushy moderate Republicans, which is part of why they developed such a hatred for her--that and the fact that she pointed out that Big Government allowed, rather than rule by Plato's enlightened philosopher king (scratch a leftist and you'll find a wanna-be enlightened philosopher king), rule by the mediocre. They hated her puncturing their inflated self-image, and apparently, even decades after her death, still can't forgive her for it. :-D
Don Joy
8:41 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
David, your observations are laser-sharp. The Left hates Rand with even more passion than she hated them!
David B. Levenstam
9:19 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Thanks, Don! Being a conservative in academia I've heard more than my share of leftist Rand-bashing. It's funny too because my of my best friends going all the way back to high school went on a Rand/Objectivist kick and I used to tease him (gently) about it. He has a good sense of humor, fortunately, so he would joke about getting together with his Objectivist group and handing out pamphlets at the airport to Hare Krishnas. :-D
CharlieB48
8:15 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Time to find a new representative for Northern Virginia. Connolly is so out there on taxes, finances and other legislation that he's fallen off the left cliff...let's please elect someone with a modicum of sense and an understanding of finance which Mr Connolly clearly lacks.
John
8:33 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Gerry Connelly has been a loyal foot soldier for Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi. What have they given us? $5 trillion in new debt; trillion dollar deficits and unemployment over 8% for three straight years; punishment and demonization of job creators; and a crushing burden for every American. Virginia deserves better than Gerry Connelly.
Fred H.
9:04 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I think Rep.Connelly had a sheet with talking points for each of the potential running mates. His comments are sad commentary on the attack culture in politics today. I suppose every cadidate has to be the most radical with the least experience, a last ditch attempt, etc. etc. No wonder most folks tune this stuff (our political process) out.
Mark Carolla
9:46 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Well, he did say he was "amiable" which couldn't be said for the general perception of Virginia's own sneering Rep.Cantor...and if you were of Connolly's and my age and grew up with or in the Republican Party of Eisenhower, Jacob Javits, Richard Lugar, Nelson Rockefeller, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Edmund Brooke etc. Ryan is definitely a radical - and ideologue.
John Lovaas
10:34 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
And you Obama haters need to develop some more objective rating services than the NTU which is just a flack for the top 1 %.
David B. Levenstam
12:48 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Just check out any liberal rating service and you'll find the same nuances. Ryan is a mushy moderate, and Connonlly is a hardcore leftist. Since you're using the tired old "1%" propaganda of the far left, I'd think you'd be happy to find that Connolly is a radial leftist like you instead of whining about the rating, although it is true that Americans prefer mushy moderates like Ryan to leftists like Connonally, Obama and Romney.
John Reichert
11:08 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Gerry,
" The least experienced and the most radical " ?
That describes our current president perfectly.
As a previous supporter, you just lost my vote.
JR-Oakton
abigail magnani
11:22 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Least experienced, Gerry? Paul Ryan has been a congressman since 1999. He was elected at the age of 27. Paul Ryan has been mentored by many in the House, as well as by prominent businessmen, since the age of 19. His vision for America is clear, while yours, Gerry is a passing nebula.
Cheryl Corser
11:34 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Amen John!
David B. Levenstam
9:20 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Abigail, it's funny too that anyone who supports Obama would even utter the word "inexperienced"--not with a straight face, anyway. :-)
tina
12:21 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Connolly is an idiiot!
Period.
mark kelly
12:41 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Gerry is just a lapdog for BHO. We deserve better than a spendthrift
Tammi Petrine
1:00 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
What do I think about Romney choosing Paul Ryan for VP? I think President Obama just won re-election.
Mark Carolla
1:45 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
From what I'm hearing from in the middle, conservative and liberal friends beyond the Beltway Romney, by showing his true colors, may have lost the election. Nobody who is facing retirement finds Ryan's Social Security and Medicare proposals reasonable. (It is like my friend who laughs that his mother wants "to cut government spending, but don't touch my Medicare.") The ones who are most frightened are those in their late 50's or early 60's who have lost their health insurance through illness, job loss, or retirement who were looking forward to, hanging on and depending on Medicare that they've been contributing to all of their working lives. Others are fearful of what will happen to the investment in their homes if the home mortgage interest gets cut...and those who can't fly or live in the vast areas of this country with no air or bus service are worried about Amtrak being eliminated....Those are just a few examples and concerns I've heard. Cutting the non-Medicare and Social Security budget to the extent Ryan suggests will destroy our infrastructure, public health, public safety, and be a job destroyer. Obama hasn't been able to accomplish anything because the millionaire-ridden right wing in Congress places no taxes ideology and dislike or hatred of Obama ahead of the national interest. These are extremists who want all or nothing. There is a difference between being a fiscal conservative and being a radical despite the "I love America & he doesn't" polemics.
David B. Levenstam
1:53 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Ryan's "radicalism" amounted to him proposing to reduce the projected baseline budget increase of $155 billion to an increase of $55 billion, and then accept an increase of $120 billion.
pete
4:34 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Looks like you wasted a lot of time studying history and politics....should have focused on economics, or maybe running a business. The pseudo-intellectual liberal spin must be entertaining in the coffee house but it falls flat in the real world.
James D. Stearns Sr. [Jim]
2:19 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Humm!
The Path to Prosperity: A Blueprint for American Renewal
House Budget Committee - Fiscal Year 2013 Budget Resolution
http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperity2013.pdf
Mark Carolla
3:24 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
His radicalism isn't based on budget numbers but rather on his views about the federal system of government and national priorities.-"Ryan has told the CBO that his budget will bring all federal spending outside Medicare, Medicaid & Social Security to 3.75 percent of GDP by 2050. That means defense, infrastructure, education, food safety, basic research, and food stamps — to name just a few." Pretty darn radical. Ryan repeatedly cited Ayn Rand as the inspiration for his individualist Darwinian political philosophy and he views the New Deal and the accomplishments of the Greatest Generation and all post WW-II US administrations up to George W.Bush as "collectivism." Pretty darn radical. As late as 3 years ago he stated: “I think Ayn Rand did the best job of anybody to build a moral case of capitalism, and that morality of capitalism is under assault.” The problem with right wing ideologues such as Ryan is that they confuse capitalism with a corporate state. Ryan is articulate and a good speaker but anybody who has studied US History will recognize him as a radical who favors the rich and who expects unbridled capitalism to sustain our economy and republic.He is woefully disdainful of his home state, Wisconsin's, history and progressive tradition.
David B. Levenstam
11:18 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I not only studied history, but taught it for a decade at the University of Iowa. Ryan is a mushy moderate who occasionally talks a good libertarian game but doesn't walk the walk. His desire to slow the growth rate of government so that the economy can catch up and shrink the relative share government takes is hardly "radical." It would be nice if he actually did seriously question the socialist role that socialists of both parties have imposed in roughly the last half century, but only an ignoramus who hasn't studied anything but his leftist high school textbook would think that a mushy moderate like Ryan was any sort of "radical," other than perhaps radically mushy. :-D
CharlieB48
3:29 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Capitalism is the way to go folks...it means prosperity and whether you are on the right or the left it means money will be available to do what we as a country wish to do. BHO's current path leads to disaster...he and his fool assistant (Biden) are moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic..the ship is going down...get off the current path and do something different.
Mark Carolla
4:19 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
What other current path? Ryan's transportation budget plan or lack thereof? Capitalism in America depends on government infrastructure, support and activism...Obama has displayed the same vision as Lincoln with the Transcontinental Railroad and Teddy Roosevelt with the Panama Canal and FDR with rural electrification and the TVA. All of those were economic engines and job creators but Mitt the Twit and Ryan view at such investment as big government interference. And spare me the ludicrous notion that President Obama is a socialist rather than a capitalist....having lived and studied in and studied socialist regimes for much of my adult life (some of it serving along the Iron Curtain and elsewhere in the field) I'm sick and tired of people who obviously slept through or flunked junior high and high school history and who haven't read Marx or Lenin (not even the Cliff Notes version) who have no understanding of or actually have observed what socialism is and isn't and what capitalism is braying about how the current administration is anti-capitalist. And oh, by the way both my wife and I are small business people and capitalists savy enough to know that Ryan's vision isn't friendly to small businesses..
David B. Levenstam
11:12 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I used to teach history at the University of Iowa, including a course on the history of socialism. I find it amusing when some liberal comes along and gives the Marxist definition of socialism, "government ownership of the means of production as though it were actually the definition of socialism. Socialism predates Marx, and refers not to just one strand (communism, or international socialism) but a whole complex of ideologies that subordinate the individual to the government, including fascism (national socialism), an liberal socialism (which keeps the forms of classical liberal governance--voting--while eliminating the substance of classical liberalism's individual rights to life, liberty and property. What's true is that Obama is no sort of doctrinaire anything, but he is a socialist. Indeed most of today's Republicans are pretty socialistic too. It's funny to hear socialist know-nothings like Mark Carolla bray about capitalism about which they know nothing at all and give us the Marxist cliff notes version. He's right about one thing though: Obama shows the sort of vision that FDR gave us of a permanently depressed economy. Only when we've replaced him and stopped his tax-spend-and-regulate binge will the economy recover. Even Bill Clinton would be a welcome relief from a radical leftist like Obama with is 9% National Taxpayers Union average.
Don Joy
9:25 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Well-said, David!
David Hicks
4:00 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Choice of Ryan by Romney puts focus of the election squarely on the issue of Federal fiscal overreach. Having Ryan on the ticket will either cause the Obama campaign to address the issue of how to manage the Federal Government; or to continue using character assasination ads. Whether one is liberal or conservative, any realistic look at the current deficit will tell us all that deficit spending of this magnitude cannot continue. It is important that this issue be addressed, and ultimately...managed, such that the middle class of the United States is not wiped out.
Irony is to be found in several Connolly facts:
1. Connolly got his political start working for Tip O'Neill, the former Massachusetts Democrat, and Speaker of the House, the sponsor of the failed "Big Dig" transportation/tunnel project of Boston, and one of the most expensive public transportation projects in U.S. history.
2. After Connolly won re-election to Congress by approximately 1,000 votes in the 2008 election, he immediately made a public announcement that he would not do anything differently in his future political orientation. (In other words, he is an inflexible big spender...despite what "little people" express via an election).
2. And, to great comedic relief...Connolly is the co-lead with with state legislator Mark Kim of the...get this..."Truth Committee," for Obama in Northern Virginia. (Double-speak, or what, from an old Communist playbook?)
Please spare us the buffoonery!
pete
4:28 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I find it amazing that Connelly/Obama supporters consider Ryan's budget proposal to be "radical". Please get a clue! It is the only serious budget proposal on the table and is very consistent with Obama's own Simpson Bowles debt commission recommendations that Obama proceeded to ignore.
The facts are that many programs we "enjoy" today aren't affordable.
Tax increases cannot close the gap.
For Ryan to have the courage to put forth a budget proposal that actual acknowledges the dire straits of the country's fiscal situation, is commendable and certainly not radical given the circumstances.
James Cullum
7:04 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Great comments, folks. I'm wondering how the Vice Presidential Debate will go. Thoughts?
Mark Carolla
10:53 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Let's hope it is a bit more civil than some of the comments on Patch...I predict that Representative Paul Ryan will run circles around Vice President Joe Biden. Both have excellent educational credentials but by all accounts Ryan is articulate and likeable. His libertarian and allegedly Ayn Rand philosophy and ideology will probably not be evident - it is very hard to find them unless you read the vagaries and fine print of his budget proposals. Governor Romney, clearly pleased with his pick, & has already mentioned that HE has a budget plan too. Ryan is a Sarah Pallin with intelligence and education and will generally energize the Republican ticket. The debate will be great theater. I suspect Ryan will clobber Biden and Obama will clobber Romney.
Mark Carolla
9:34 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Professor Levenstam -- Obama is not a "socialist" in the sense that most right wingers refer to him as, & I'm sure one can find some liberal academic who will argue the point with you. As for "It's funny to hear socialist know-nothings like" me "bray about capitalism about which they know nothing at all" - I forgot about how pompous and arrogant some academics can be of others. You obviously didn't carefully read my phrase "having lived and studied in and studied socialist [not Marxist] regimes." As for being a "socialist know nothing," not sure whether you mean I'm a socialist who knows nothing or one who knows nothing about socialism - and stating I "bray about capitalism about which they know nothing at all:" - I graduated cum laude with high honors in History from Middlebury College & have an MA in Foreign Affairs from UVA. Of course I know about non-Marxist socialism - I studied the Oneida Community in Sherill, NY which you might have heard of as an experiment in socialist utopianism; I know and argue with foreign socialists of Peronist and other varieties. As for capitalism of which "I know nothing about" - I'm not an economic historian and fellow at the Heritage Foundation like you - but beyond academics I earned my knowledge the hard way via family who have lead, built and lost small & big businesses and earned & lost capital & by my working on factory floors, in restaurants . You obviously didn't learn civility, professor at the University of Iowa.
Don Joy
9:50 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
All Ryan's plan tries to do is merely slow the rate of increase of the runaway entitlements train wreck, not really even cut spending--just slow the rate of increase! If that's radical, I say we need a much more radical approach. Ryan certainly is affable and polite and well-spoken. I prefer him at the top of the ticket, but I'm overjoyed that he's Romney's VP pick.
Mark Carolla
11:05 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Don - My perceived radicalism in his plan - and I've read it - isn't in his view on entitlements - I can agree with much of it. What people such as myself are concerned with are his Ayn Rand liberatarian view of government and his role as a mentor and ideological leader for the Tea Party - you might disagree but to traditional old school Republicans and conserrvatives those are "radical" philosophies, and we could argue that point until the cows come home and never agree.
Don Joy
11:20 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Mark, Ryan admires and has been deeply influenced in his life by Ayn Rand, as I have as well, but he is NOT an Objectivist--he is a Catholic. There can be much overlap in the principles and application of both, but in metaphysical terms of course they are mutually exclusive. You say that Tea Party solutions to our crisis are not acceptable to "traditional old school Republicans and conserrvatives(sic)." I'd definitely disagree with that!
David B. Levenstam
7:50 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Thanks, Don. An interesting thing about Carolla is that he says he's willing to vote for Wolf, who has a 59% average of National Taxpayers Union ratings, but he'll vote for Obama and Biden (arguably the stupidest elected Democrat in the country) over Ryan. Obama has a 9% NTU Senate rating. (Biden has a 17% Senate rating.) Ryan has a 74% rating. So Ryan is only 15 points less liberal than Wolf, but Obama is 50 points more liberal than Wolf--half the scale. You have to wonder how someone can be so radically off base as to think that Ryan, 15 points away from Wolf, is the racial one, and Obama, 50 points away, isn't. Now Carolla has been pretty dishonest here with his multiple hypocrisies, but I'm inclined to believe here that rather than being dishonest about the "old-style Republicans" he's actually just slavishly devoted to liberal media propaganda--ignore and irrational rather than dishonest. What do you think?
Don Joy
8:31 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
David, I think he's all over the place and confused, and as you said, slavishly devoted to lefty media propaganda. Like most of these beltway types slopping and slurping at the federal trough, he's the type that would rather go along to get along than fight for real reforms. He'll side with the status quo just about every time. Oh, and there's a spot in your last comment where you typed "racial" when I believe you really intended to type "radical."
David B. Levenstam
9:25 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Hi Don! Good catch on the "racial" instead of "radical." We all belong to one race or another, so I guess everything is racial in a way. :-D
Seriously though, I think you're right about Mark. I'd like to believe that beneath that posturing first one way and then another, under the hypocrisy and media-parroting, that there's a decent guy.
Mark Carolla
12:58 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Don, feel free to disagree - but to old school type Republicans such as myself - my opinion which ain't going to change - the Tea Party is radical, That's probably one vote for Obama and Biden even as a lesser of two poor choices. I've voiced my opinion and don't wish to argue further. Thanks,
len
3:49 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
There are too many entitlements. Anyone that aggressively wants to cut them has my vote.
Don Joy
8:06 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Agree!
Jody
7:59 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
The tea party is a threat to GOP politics as usual. The tea party wants a citizen Congress to regain control of the country and rout out the entrenched, bought-and-paid-for, incumbent do-nothings. Nothing radical about that. The federal govt. has run amok and is interfering too much in our lives. Ryan is a great choice for VP.
David B. Levenstam
7:42 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
I read it Mark, but I don't believe it. You insult others who disagree with you and then claim that they're the ones who aren't civil. You pompously and arrogantly condescend with your alleged knowledge on a subject, then whine that he's pompous and arrogant when someone comes along with more knowledge and treats you like you're treating everyone else. You tried to pose as the "educated intellectual" and sneer at conservatives, but when confronted by a conservative substantially better educated than you, you tried to pose as the "honest, hard-working anti-intellectual." You mostly sound like a typical lying leftist, especially with your call for "civility" in the face of your lack of it. When you stop being a pompous and arrogant hypocrite and apologize to all the conservatives you've insulted here, then I might believe some claim you make. Until then, don't expect me to take seriously any claims you make.
Mark Carolla
10:35 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
David, if you and I were debating in an academic setting, I'd find it hard to imagine that you would be as derisive as you are online. Are you so removed from civil discourse and enamored with your ideology that you expect anybody who criticizes your views or disagrees with you to apologize? The Patch is an opinion forum & one can suggest that any political group may be ignorant of one's interpretation of history. If you don't understand the concept of different interpretations of history I'd suggest you are the one who is the posseur. Feel free to violently disagree with anything anybody posts, but please don't stoop to insults & name calling. Throughout this thread you've been the one who "pompously and arrogantly" has declared your knowledge of history before insulting me by name & calling me an "ignoramous" early on. I resent you calling me a "lying leftist" (anybody who disagrees with your interpretation of history is a "liar" or a "leftist"? ) & over my career I've never had to "pose" as "hard-working" and certainly don't have to prove it to you. You do not have the right to accuse - personally - anybody who disagrees with your interpretation of history, socialism, conservatism or political theory as being a liar, pompous, condescending, or ignorant, nor do you have the right to be derisive of their education. Some and I have a view of America that is a bit different from your libertarian view and owe you no apology for it. So enough of the name-calling.
David B. Levenstam
10:44 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
You seem a bit slow today, Mark. I just did to you what you were doing to conservatives here. As for expecting an apology, I didn't. I suspected you'd attack me again like you did, but I wanted to give you a chance to repudiate your bad behavior and be a mensch.
David B. Levenstam
7:51 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Hey, I wonder if the Patch gets to charge higher advertising rates the more comments that it gets. Comments suggest readership, and typically showing higher readership allows a paper to charge higher advertising rates. :-D
Don Joy
8:44 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
I've been wondering what their record for comments on an article is...as of now, there are 424 comments on this recent article:
http://annandale.patch.com/articles/speak-out-what-do-you-think-of-romney-s-vp-choice
David B. Levenstam
9:22 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Don, do you know if 242 is their record? We only have 60-some on this article. :-D
Don Joy
10:39 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
It's now up to 438 on that article. I don't know what the record is, that's why I said what I said earlier.
Richard Holmquist
12:05 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
If I were an advertiser, I'd stay far from the blowhard commenters on this page. You don't do any of your institiutions of higher learning or "think tanks" any favors.
Neither do you do a very good job of supporting your candidates in this election. On the one hand, you point out how this region is dependent on government spending for its wealth. On the other hand, you criticize Connelly for supporting government spending and revere Ryan and Romney who wish to slash it. It follows that the loss of Connelly or the election of Ryan/Romney could be devestating to our regional economy.
Catherine Smith
10:59 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Connolly never worked for Tip O'Neill, and had nothing to do with the "Big Dig." Of the people mentioned in this article, Mitt Romney was the only person who had anything to do with the "Big Dig."
Mark Carolla
11:56 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
David - No, I am not going to apologize for any opinion I have of a political group...we have those opinions in democracies. It is OK for you and me to insult "conservatives" or "liberals" as a group - that's what politics is all about...you yourself seem to hurl snide remarks about "leftists" with ruthless abandon...That is not bad behavior . What is beyond the Pale is saying "Mark is a lying leftist" or if I were to say "David is a braying extremist." or belittling another by name to further one's arguments. I sort of chuckle at the Leftist (but not the lying or ignorant) label. Let it suffice to say that in the 60's & 70's I tended to vote for the likes of Jim Buckley, Nixon, Reagan, Daddy Bush and yes - twice - Dubyah. Through your ideological prism that might be "lefist." But, David, as the son of a history teacher of the Greatest Generation who taught me FDR and the New Deal saved this country from extremism I'm not going to embrace libertarian conservatism...we are not going to agree. You can critique the New Deal but please don't personally & individually scorn those who admire its place in US History. So, I'll politely regard you as a libertarian, and you can call me a "liberal"....(but please, I've had too many headaches arguing with Peronists and domestic Left-wingers to merit the label of "Leftist.") I'll be a mensch and accept that label, but I expect you to not be a schmuck and thus not call me a "lying" or "ignorant" liberal. Enough said. Have a good day.
William Campenni
2:31 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Mark:
Please define "Tea Party" and please define "Peronists" (actual term; "Peronistas") and give three precepts of each and three proponents/members of each. Please cite your sources.
David B. Levenstam
2:38 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Mark, you've insulted people on this thread, so spare us your outraged hypocrisy. You weren't man enough to apologize for your hypocrisy and personal attacks, so talking to you is a waste of time.
Mark Carolla
3:58 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Oh David, Get over yourself. I'm hardly outraged - the only thing you are is a blogging bully. I haven't attacked a single person personally, and I'm not going to waste my time nor the time of the readers of the Patch trying to kotow to whatever views you hold dear and true. I will apologize to the readers for wasting their time by dignifying your personal attacks with replies..and getting down to your level and appearing like a blow hard. Just because a political moderate disagrees with your views of socialism or conservatism or opines that Paul Ryan is radical and you don't agree doesn't mean they are a hypocrite. I know enough of my history to know that extreme right wing ideologues call those that disagree with them socialists, or "leftists," and extreme leftists label moderates as "fascists" so I'm not rising to the bait. No, I'm not sorry, and if you can't take general, non-personal criticism of any group's political beliefs and perceive it as an "insult" you don't understand American politics.
Mark Carolla
4:22 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Bill Campini - Hi Bill. Is this a test? I'l talk to you off-line.
William Campenni
5:18 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
No, otherwise you would have flunked the name spelling part.
Billie Lyllton
5:33 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Oh I'm already tired of seeing David Axelrod's talking point adjective "amicable" oozing all over the Democrat floor. Yes, I agree with Connolly that Paul Ryan is amicable. Extremely amicable. Charming as well. Star Power. But that's not his strong suite. His major appeal is his willingness to FINALLY discuss and put forth actual solutions to issues of the budget as it relates to many problems, including long term entitlement reform, which both parties have ignored in the past but which Mr. Connolly's Democrat Part has flagrantly stonewalled since '08 and which indeed has been made much worse by Mr. Obama's incompetence.
Marshall Smith
11:40 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Budget? Whats a budget? The dems havent presented a budget since ...when
TaterSalad
11:30 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
The seats are full, the people are riveted to find out the "truth" of Barack Obama and his hate for America as it is!
A powerful movie and the truth about Barack Obama that has never been exposed to the public. The government does not want you to watch this movie!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/08/22/a_powerful_movie_115175.html
Barbara Glakas
12:40 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
About Connolly’s “amicable radical” and “inexperienced” description of Ryan, I understand it. Ryan does indeed come off as being a very amiable guy. Even though he has been in Congress since about 1999, which gave him a certain amount of experience there, he is apparently lacking in pre-Congress experience and, like Romney, has little to no foreign policy experience.
About budgets, I have to hand it to the guy – at least he is trying to put budgets on the table, which is more than most on either side of the aisle have done. But I have to agree that his budgets have been pretty radical. His first two proposed budgets couldn’t even make it out of our very conservative House. His third one barely made it out of the House. But there are huge questions about his budget, based on unknowable assumptions and with no surety that it will even work, not to mention so many deep cuts that it could put our economy (and at-risk people) at even greater risk. All legitimate resources I have read about his budget (e.g. the Congressional Budget Office, the Pew Charitable Trust and the Brookings Institute) all essentially say that his budget will not work.
Interestingly, an article appeared in yesterdays’ Post about this, called, “Five Myths About Paul Ryan’s Budget,” written by a former director of the Office of Management and Budget:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-paul-ryans-budget/2012/08/23/757b3718-eba0-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html
David B. Levenstam
3:13 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
The baseline budget called for an increase of $155 billion. Ryan originally promised a "cut" of $100 billion, meaning an increase of only $55 billion. By the time Ryan was done compromising with Democrats, his "cut" of $100 billion turned into only $12 to $35 billion (depending on who was doing the scoring), meaning an increase of $120 billion to $140 billion. There's nothing radical about that sort of mushy moderate smaller increase budget.
Barbara Glakas
6:17 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
There is still much work to be done, but President Obama certainly can run on his record:
President Obama was the first President to be able to pass a health care reform act.
Presidents Obama captured Osama Bin Laden.
President Obama stopped our military’s discrimination against gay Americans.
President Obama got us out of Iraq.
President Obama was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.
In the face of economic recession, President Obama saved the U.S. auto industry from collapse.
While on the brink of depression, President Obama took the bold steps necessary to bring our country back into a slow but steady economic recovery, signing the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, as well as the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act.
Unemployment under President Obama has been on a slow and steady decline,
President Obama negotiated and signed the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia, the first successfully ratified START treaty since 1991.
President Obama has re-focused our county’s efforts on environmental protection and decreasing our dependence on foreign oil by improving Federal standards for auto emissions and by investing in research for alternative fuels and clean energy resources.
William Campenni
11:09 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Forgot the part about walks on water, heals the sick, saves the lame.
Evidently he's still working on curing the blind, as evidenced by the previous comment.
Don Joy
12:59 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Most of that is nothing to be proud of, rather it is why Obama is running away from his record. Obamacare is a 2,700 monstrosity of bureaucratic strangulation, new taxes, and unwanted government interference and micromanaging of what must properly be personal, private decisions. It was shoved down our throats only because Al Franken(the single needed senate vote) cheated his way into office in an election that saw 1,099 convicted felons vote in a race decided by 312 ballots. In the ensuing investigation, 177 individuals have been convicted of election fraud crimes, and 66 more are awaiting trial. All in one election!
Obama did not "capture" Bin Laden--Obama and Valerie Jarrett tried to repeatedly thwart the mission that killed Bin Laden, until Leon Panetta had had enough and ordered the green light. Obama was called in off the golf course after the fact, was told by his betters to sit down and shut up and be glad he could publicly, falsely take credit for it. Cont.'
Don Joy
1:15 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Forcing our military to celebrate sodomy as if it is on par with procreation is nothing to be proud of. The DoD is increasingly a disaster of political-correctness.
Obama didn't get us out of Iraq, Bush's timetable did.
The Nobel prize awarded to Obama has made a laughingstock out of the Nobel prize committee.
Obama didn't "save" the auto industry, it is still barely on life support and Obama looted investors' money to buy 500,000 shares of stock at $100/share which is now worth $20/share. The whole operation is one big union graft scheme, with non-union people being thrown out on their ears. Shameful! Nationalizing industries is what socialist dictators do. Romney was right, a managed bankruptcy according to the law is what was called for. Cont.'
Don Joy
1:27 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Dodd-Frank, the trillion-dollar stimulus abomination union slush-fund, and the rest of the thousands of pages of communism rammed through on us are the cause of our current malaise, not the accomplishments of which you want to boast on Obama's behalf. Historically, the deeper and more severe the recession, the steeper and more robust the bounceback. Not in this case! Obama, like FDR, has made things worse and prolonged the suffering because he is doing more and more and more of what caused the collapse: Throwing good money after bad in absurd, doomed social welfare schemes that aggravate moral hazard and incentivize failure.
Employment remains stagnant and millions are jumping onto the disability rolls, encouraged by democrats who want more and more voters dependent on them.
Obama has gutted the missile defense capability of our allies and laid open the throat of the West to the dubious intentions of his true partners, the anti-Western powers around the globe.
Obama's endless carbon communist hoaxes are driving up the price of energy (intentionally) and the price of cars; cafe standards planned will add $15,000 to the price of a car!
Obama's goal--cutting America down to size--is proceeding smoothly. Marxists can be happy and proud that their Dear Leader is well on his way to a socialist utopia. But this is America, after all, and president Romney along with vice president Ryan are coming to the rescue.
Don Joy
1:30 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Under Obama, 90% of home mortgages and 97% of student loans are controlled by the federal government! This is the freedom that our forbears fought so hard and so long for...??
Mark Carolla
1:06 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
@Bill Campenni - perhaps you could point out unambiguous evidence as to what points Barbara Glakas is absolutely wrong on? Deservedly or not he did win an actual Nobel Peace Prize; he did finalize an end to the discrimination against gays in the military (regardless of one's views on that); he certainly took "bold steps" in the face of as Mitch McConnell shamelessly declared that political power and dislike of the President were his principal motivators; and he indeed reinvigorated the START process (which strenghtens this country by reducing the strategic nuclear threat - in the words of a Marine fighter pilot on seeing a Soviet bomber dismantled under START I "a kill is a kill") to the vigor of the Reagan and Bush (George HW) years. I'm getting tired of the polemics...and know you are an ace debater. Most of those commenting here have their minds made up, but your take is always interesting.
William Campenni
1:48 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Mark:
Remember that joke about the Russian losing the two man race to the American, where Pravda headlined the story "Russian wins second place while American comes in next to last"? Technically true, but totally divorced from reality.
That's the mindset of the Obama omidons. It's not worth the effort to debate them. In the Middle Ages, it was called "Invincible Ignorance". Meanwhile, we root for Obama not to have a penultimate finish in the coming election.
See you over coffee - you buy.
Don Joy
12:45 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Priceless! :)
Mark Carolla
1:13 am on Monday, September 3, 2012
Bill - Looks like you took the same class I did at the War College on spining answers. I think I remember the phrase "technically true" from an ethics book in the same program entitled "Lying." :) Willl buy you coffee soon. I presume you don't want one of those liberal faux italiano cafe ridiculoso.
Java Master
4:08 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
...and here I was, hoping beyond hope that the long ( very long) conversation Mark Carolla and David Levenstam might actually GO somewhere...(sigh)
Then Don Joy had to chime in with a bunch of half-truths and more anti-Obama talkng points, which he likely picked up from RedState.com or Fox News ( same thing, eh?
I love watching the political extremes bash each other back and forth, sort of reminds me of "Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots," with just as little effect in the real world!
Mark Carolla
1:20 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
You are correct Java Master much of the commentary on the Patch consists of the political extremes bashing each other back and forth, and in my surprise at being labled as various types of left wingers because of my opinions I admit that I inflicted a long conversation on the readers of the Patch...again my apologies. It took me a while to realize that some commentaries shouldn't be dignified with a response. The nature of online blogging and commentaries is that the floodgates have been opened to the rude, the intolerant, the self-important, the ignorant and stupid, whether they call themselves Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, or whatever and it is futile to argue if somebody attacks your comments. Bill Campenni, however, is worth reading and listening to as he definitely is not an extremist; he's a civil debater and a true American Hero fighter pilot and doesn't stoop to call those who disagree with him names. Bill understands that he gets more respect and are more persuasive by presenting a counter position rather than by shouting at or labling those that disagree with him. I enjoy talking with him...and if you carefully read his points such as "technically true, but totally divorced from reality" he is a master of the "you might have a point but I disagree with you "...school of civility and debate which is largely absent in the Patch political opinion.
William Campenni
3:48 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
Thanks Mark. Just the way I wrote it. I'll send you the payment tomorrow.
TaterSalad
2:05 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Servicemen! Get ready for higher premiums for your healthcare (Tri-care) because your Commander-in-Chief has signed yet another Executive Order. Here is proof:
http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/09/president-reaches-into-veterans-pockets-with-new-executive-order-repost/
William Campenni
5:17 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012
You think Obama cares about the military?
As a reward for their long and many combat tours, he will soon throw 150,000 of them out into the street to compete for non-existent jobs with 23 million unemployed and 11 million illegal aliens.
And to make sure they don't get too uppity, his henchmen will make sure that their votes are impeded or blocked across the country by complicit democrat Secretaries of State and county voting registrars who will delay sending out military ballots.
In the Obama/Holder regime, it is easier to vote if you are dead, an illegal alien, or a college student voting twice at home AND school. If you are in the Afghan mountains, you are out of luck.
But if by chance you end up dead, you will get a machine-generated letter of condolence from Obama, ( http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/02/families-deceased-seals-claim-presidential-condolence-letters-signed-with-auto/ ).
Don Joy
5:31 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Campenni FTW as always!